Presse à frettes "fractale"

[tahitibob57]

Merci l'ami, tu gère. Ça fait un moment que ce truc me fait de l'oeil

[CafardV2]

Bonjour tout le monde.

Pour ceux qui seraient intéressés, voici un lien pour une presse similaire à un prix bien plus abordable.


Edit: lien supprimé .

[gema1831]

ça ne m'inspire pas confiance.
Société basée en Chine et adresse mail "@gmail".... bof;

[CafardV2]

On retrouve ces même produits sur la plateforme Chinoise Ali
Surement des copies.

[Mickaël]

Société basée en Chine

Ça va du producteur au consommateur ! Il y a tellement de choses qui viennent de là-bas aujourd'hui...

[caribou]

Il y a tellement de choses qui viennent de là-bas aujourd'hui...

Oui, à peu près tout.
Que ça vienne de Chine ne préjuge pas de grand chose.
Et objectivement, 290$ pour l'original c'est beaucoup trop cher pour ce que c'est. Le tarif est compréhensible si c'est un gars qui les fait dans son garage à l'unité ou presque mais c'est typiquement le genre de trucs qui gagne à être fabriqué en série dans un atelier dédié au métal, et où ça coutera beaucoup moins cher à fabriquer. Reste la propriété intellectuelle mais là aussi, c'est cher payé.

[gema1831]

Ce n'est pas le fait que ça vient de Chine qui me dérange, mais que la dite société utilise une adresse mail "@gmail.com" lorsqu'on sait qu'un nom de domaine ne coûte pas grand chose.... (en Belgique alors en Chine)....

[Enrico]

C'est vraiment une copie conforme, ils n'ont même pas cherché à améliorer ou changer la conception

[LadyGlockenspiel]

Il y a tellement de choses qui viennent de là-bas aujourd'hui...

Oui, à peu près tout.
Que ça vienne de Chine ne préjuge pas de grand chose.
Et objectivement, 290$ pour l'original c'est beaucoup trop cher pour ce que c'est. Le tarif est compréhensible si c'est un gars qui les fait dans son garage à l'unité ou presque mais c'est typiquement le genre de trucs qui gagne à être fabriqué en série dans un atelier dédié au métal, et où ça coutera beaucoup moins cher à fabriquer. Reste la propriété intellectuelle mais là aussi, c'est cher payé.

Je suis l'épouse de l'inventeur de la Fractal Fret Press. Je ne parle pas français donc je posterai en anglais. Veuillez pardonner cette mauvaise traduction. Ceci est publié avec la permission de Jerame Edwards. https://www.instagram.com/jedwardsguitars/

I am the wife of the inventor of the Fractal Fret Press. I do not speak French so I will post in English. This is posted with the permission of Jerame Edwards.

Hello everyone! First off, Enrico: It's very cool to see what you have done to iterate on the design! Jerame, my husband, is much like many of you; he is a luthier and made this tool for himself to perform the function of building guitars better, and it happened to make the process easier. It's been very cool to watch him do this! Enrico, I love seeing that same passion in your work here.

That being said, I'm here because of the Chinese manufacturer, Edgetool, that has brought about this woefully underpriced and uninspired knockoff. What they are doing is theft. It is no different than directly stealing the tools that are in our shop. I wanted to respond to what Caribou said above about costs. We live in America off of a luthier's repair income. I watched my husband consult and stress about pricing this tool when the demand to provide it as a service became a necessity for us. Jerame stopped building, stopped repairing, and halted everything he did to bring this tool to market. He and I build this tool together in his shop. No third parties are involved except for the sourcing of the brass and screws. That's it. We must also protect it from people who wish to claim it as their own, which means patent attorneys and legal fees. We have to support ourselves and future innovation on his part. This is not a small venture. We are assuming all risk, all costs, and all responsibility. As I am sure Enrico can attest to, having prototyped one of his own, precision is key for this tool to work correctly. Jerame did not know it would go crazy and be sorely needed.

We are looking into how to produce Jerame's tool with the same quality and higher volume to bring the cost down. Think of it like a "Kickstarter" in that you directly support the inventor to continue to innovate, which he has, but you're not supporting Kickstarter in this instance. Anyone who has started a venture knows you do not make money right away, and we have not; we believe in the change this tool has brought about. We are reinvesting everything back into the tool and hope that bringing the cost down is possible. Most knockoffs have done something Jerame drew up because it didn't improve the tool or negatively affected the performance. We're an open book when it comes to the history of this project. We will not share anything related to development because that is what we have over these imposters, but consider this your invitation to ask us almost anything. I hope this sheds light on the state of things. We are very happy that we are in a position to bring about change in the industry.

We are incredibly grateful for anyone who comes across this post and has supported us! Please contact us here or on Jerame's Instagram if you have questions. Have a great day everyone!

[caribou]

Hi, surprised but glad to read your message here. I know the problem of the "fabrication cost" (not sure about the translation) for a small business, I'm independant luthier too. Happy to see that you are looking for an "industrial solution" that could protect your invention.

[Pedro]

Je crois que ce serait élégant, au vu de ce que nous dit cette dame, qu'on supprime le lien vers la contrefaçon qui déglingue un boulot qui a tout l'air d'être très respectable

[fidler]

Oui tu as tout à fait raison.
Je le supprime.

[LadyGlockenspiel]

Oui tu as tout à fait raison.
Je le supprime.

We appreciate that. I've been really impressed with the luthier community around the world. Unfortunately, this company is also knocking off others within that community, and they will not be the last to do it. The only thing we can do is call it out and pursue remediation through the proper people and systems.

Hi, surprised but glad to read your message here. I know the problem of the "fabrication cost" (not sure about the translation) for a small business, I'm independant luthier too. Happy to see that you are looking for an "industrial solution" that could protect your invention.

We have learned a lot about the process. In short, it's costly and takes much longer than it can, but it has been a fun journey! Because of the tool, Jerame has met and conversed with many significant people within the luthier community. We are all a part of the next generation that brings innovation to our field, and it can happen to anyone!

Cheers!

[Enrico]

Enrico, I love seeing that same passion in your work here.

Thank you for your testimonial
It's true that my approach had no commercial objective, and was motivated solely by the pleasure of understanding, designing and manufacturing. Indeed, I pointed out that this type of manufacturing was particularly costly in terms of time and tooling, and that it was absolutely unprofitable on my scale.
I hope that, in spite of the counterfeits that have been noted here, your business will be able to develop and find customers who are responsible and respectful of your work.
Best regards to you and your husband

[LadyGlockenspiel]

Enrico, I love seeing that same passion in your work here.

Best regards to you and your husband

Thanks Enrico! Like I said, there's a lot of really cool people in the luthier world who want to help foster Jerame and his tool. There are going to be people who buy that tool that would never have bought Jerame's and it is what it is. There are also a lot of people who are going to go to the source and that will help him continue to innovate. We were able to hire our first employee recently so that Jerame can focus on what's next!

That all being said, good luck with your endeavors. I truly mean it when I say it's cool to see what Jerame inspired you to do. Jerame couldn't have gotten to this point if he didn't have the experience with tinkering, building, prototyping, and, most importantly, other luthiers along the way to give feedback and encouragement.

[Pedro]

La chaine Youtube "Highline guitar" a fait un comparatif entre les deux modèles : l'original et la copie chinoise.